1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,978 [MUSIC] 2 00:00:06,978 --> 00:00:09,094 Well, hello everyone. 3 00:00:09,094 --> 00:00:12,856 And welcome to this session, Who Runs the World? 4 00:00:12,856 --> 00:00:14,929 Women in Engineering do. 5 00:00:14,929 --> 00:00:16,568 Well, I'm your host today. 6 00:00:16,568 --> 00:00:18,490 I'm Dr. Toni Josato. 7 00:00:18,490 --> 00:00:21,851 And I'm so glad that you all decided to join this session. 8 00:00:21,851 --> 00:00:23,575 I think the outermost is not very good. 9 00:00:23,575 --> 00:00:27,619 But I don't know, there might be huge, huge competition out there. 10 00:00:27,619 --> 00:00:32,259 But let me get started and introduce these fabulous women to you all. 11 00:00:32,259 --> 00:00:34,406 These women are just incredible. 12 00:00:34,406 --> 00:00:37,565 I can't wait to just hear this conversation myself. 13 00:00:37,565 --> 00:00:42,338 We will be spending the next hour in conversation with these amazing panelists. 14 00:00:42,338 --> 00:00:45,542 But first I'd like to introduce you to Daelynn Moyer. 15 00:00:45,542 --> 00:00:47,658 Daelynn, I'm sorry, Moyer. 16 00:00:47,658 --> 00:00:52,072 Daelynn is a software engineering manager at driveway.com. 17 00:00:52,072 --> 00:00:54,725 Prior to moving into a leadership role, 18 00:00:54,725 --> 00:00:58,472 several years ago she was a 20 year software engineer, 19 00:00:58,472 --> 00:01:03,404 building systems in support of transportation and heavy manufacturing. 20 00:01:03,404 --> 00:01:08,372 She's built networks of electric vehicle charging stations, flight deck software 21 00:01:08,372 --> 00:01:13,007 for commercial jets, programming and configuration tools for heavy trucks. 22 00:01:13,007 --> 00:01:16,404 And control interfaces for electron microscopes. 23 00:01:16,404 --> 00:01:18,353 She's gonna explain all of that, I'm sure. 24 00:01:18,353 --> 00:01:23,446 But deep technical background where we are, is worked in her favor. 25 00:01:23,446 --> 00:01:27,507 And she builds and guides high performing engineering teams 26 00:01:27,507 --> 00:01:31,336 on a foundation of empathy, trust, and authenticity. 27 00:01:31,336 --> 00:01:33,091 A woman after my own heart there. 28 00:01:33,091 --> 00:01:35,402 She and her wife live in Portland, 29 00:01:35,402 --> 00:01:39,634 Oregon area, where they obsess over the 1963 ranch home. 30 00:01:39,634 --> 00:01:42,041 And all things mid century modern. 31 00:01:42,041 --> 00:01:46,758 Her life's greatest achievement is teaching her cat to stand on his hind 32 00:01:46,758 --> 00:01:48,391 legs and turn on a proel. 33 00:01:48,391 --> 00:01:50,179 Well, that's some fancy training there. 34 00:01:50,179 --> 00:01:52,146 We'll talk about that too. 35 00:01:52,146 --> 00:01:57,913 But next, I'd like to also welcome to the stage Leila Kaneda. 36 00:01:57,913 --> 00:02:02,667 Leila is a computer vision software engineer for SightLine Applications. 37 00:02:02,667 --> 00:02:08,098 A small company in Hood River, Oregon, focusing on onboard video processing for 38 00:02:08,098 --> 00:02:11,102 advanced camera systems and applications. 39 00:02:11,102 --> 00:02:13,559 She holds a master's degree in computer science, 40 00:02:13,559 --> 00:02:17,397 with a special specialty in machine learning from Portland State University. 41 00:02:17,397 --> 00:02:21,866 Alongside working for a variety of companies ranging from big corporations 42 00:02:21,866 --> 00:02:25,495 to small startups, Leila volunteers in the tech community to 43 00:02:25,495 --> 00:02:29,079 help people from underrepresented groups succeed in STEM. 44 00:02:29,079 --> 00:02:34,194 In 2020 she was a finalist for the Intel Involved Hero Award for 45 00:02:34,194 --> 00:02:38,868 her work of starting a mentorship program and growing WICS. 46 00:02:38,868 --> 00:02:40,782 We in computer science. 47 00:02:40,782 --> 00:02:45,856 A Portland State student group focused on creating a computer science 48 00:02:45,856 --> 00:02:50,851 community [INAUDIBLE] on equality and inclusion, very bright idea. 49 00:02:50,851 --> 00:02:53,702 Coming from a non traditional background, 50 00:02:53,702 --> 00:02:57,553 Leila passionately brings many of her skills from music and 51 00:02:57,553 --> 00:03:02,348 mathematics to make the STEM community a much better place for everyone. 52 00:03:02,348 --> 00:03:04,108 Welcome, Leila. 53 00:03:04,108 --> 00:03:08,254 And finally, we have Betza Villareal. 54 00:03:08,254 --> 00:03:09,999 I hope I said that right. 55 00:03:09,999 --> 00:03:14,639 Currently Betza designs and implements business applications to 56 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,712 help more Oregon the safest and healthiest place to work. 57 00:03:18,712 --> 00:03:23,567 After 15 years of working in the energy management product industry as 58 00:03:23,567 --> 00:03:27,795 a design engineer, I'm sorry, program and change manager. 59 00:03:27,795 --> 00:03:31,272 She recently brought her skills into the IT world. 60 00:03:31,272 --> 00:03:36,913 Her global experience working in Europe, Latin America, and Asia, have given her 61 00:03:36,913 --> 00:03:42,571 the depth of insight and skills for cross cultural communication and integration. 62 00:03:42,571 --> 00:03:47,691 She's inspired by her children to use her talents to create a better world for 63 00:03:47,691 --> 00:03:49,205 future generations. 64 00:03:49,205 --> 00:03:51,742 Thank you Betza, and Daelynn, and Leila. 65 00:03:51,742 --> 00:03:54,726 And I know I've only covered a smidgen of who you all are. 66 00:03:54,726 --> 00:03:57,626 Therefore, thank you so much for spending the time and 67 00:03:57,626 --> 00:04:01,486 reminding everyone here who's listening and watching that you can do. 68 00:04:01,486 --> 00:04:04,068 Live captioning is provided. 69 00:04:04,068 --> 00:04:08,907 Please see the link below this session for access to captioning. 70 00:04:08,907 --> 00:04:12,590 All right, well, let's get started chatting to these amazing women. 71 00:04:12,590 --> 00:04:15,152 How are you? 72 00:04:15,152 --> 00:04:16,817 >> Yeah, I'm wonderful, thank you. 73 00:04:16,817 --> 00:04:21,237 >> [CROSSTALK] I'm very, very excited and nervous to be here. 74 00:04:21,237 --> 00:04:23,251 Thank you for inviting us. 75 00:04:23,251 --> 00:04:25,552 >> Yeah, it's so glad to have you all. 76 00:04:25,552 --> 00:04:33,184 So, hey, let's just start by telling folks, how did you get here? 77 00:04:33,184 --> 00:04:37,735 What made you choose this pathway as a career? 78 00:04:37,735 --> 00:04:41,162 Cuz this was the easiest pathway that you could have chosen, right? 79 00:04:41,162 --> 00:04:42,095 >> Of course. 80 00:04:42,095 --> 00:04:46,143 >> [LAUGH] >> Yeah, Betza, 81 00:04:46,143 --> 00:04:50,534 how did you decide that this is where you wanted to be? 82 00:04:50,534 --> 00:04:54,639 >> Well, like everything, it's a long road, right? 83 00:04:54,639 --> 00:05:00,331 [LAUGH] I was incorporated to mainly by my father. 84 00:05:00,331 --> 00:05:06,992 I've always noted that fathers have a great influence on daughters. 85 00:05:06,992 --> 00:05:12,866 And he's himself a mining engineer, metallurgy engineer. 86 00:05:12,866 --> 00:05:17,954 And when I was graduating high school deciding what 87 00:05:17,954 --> 00:05:22,935 I wanted to do, he mainly told me, you know what? 88 00:05:22,935 --> 00:05:29,101 You can do whatever you want, it was going from theater, or engineering, or medicine. 89 00:05:29,101 --> 00:05:32,616 It was like all over the place. 90 00:05:32,616 --> 00:05:38,599 But he told me engineering teaches you how to think. 91 00:05:38,599 --> 00:05:41,461 It teaches you how to solve problems. 92 00:05:41,461 --> 00:05:46,383 And it teaches you how to learn as well. 93 00:05:46,383 --> 00:05:51,808 And he himself had gone from being a mining 94 00:05:51,808 --> 00:05:57,388 engineer to having a raising horse food and 95 00:05:57,388 --> 00:06:00,963 instrumenting business. 96 00:06:00,963 --> 00:06:02,795 So he's like, look at me, 97 00:06:02,795 --> 00:06:07,429 the engineering is kinda like gonna help you and prepare your brain. 98 00:06:07,429 --> 00:06:13,821 And I went into mechanical and electrical engineering at the time. 99 00:06:13,821 --> 00:06:17,591 And about three, four years ago, 100 00:06:17,591 --> 00:06:21,492 after 15 years in that industry, 101 00:06:21,492 --> 00:06:26,318 I was realizing how obsolete I was getting. 102 00:06:26,318 --> 00:06:28,550 [LAUGH] And I was like, okay, 103 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:32,645 I need to think about the future and where I wanna go. 104 00:06:32,645 --> 00:06:39,816 And I always had this passion for computers and how things work. 105 00:06:39,816 --> 00:06:41,459 And so I switched into tech. 106 00:06:41,459 --> 00:06:45,234 So I'm recent into tech engineer. 107 00:06:45,234 --> 00:06:49,361 And here I am, growing, 108 00:06:49,361 --> 00:06:54,668 learning, getting into data, 109 00:06:54,668 --> 00:07:00,574 becoming full on data scientists. 110 00:07:00,574 --> 00:07:04,270 It's been a long journey but here we are. 111 00:07:04,270 --> 00:07:06,296 >> Nice nice, well. 112 00:07:06,296 --> 00:07:11,276 My goodness, your father is so crucial in encouraging the ingenuity. 113 00:07:11,276 --> 00:07:16,023 And just the fact that he believed that you too as his little girl could still do 114 00:07:16,023 --> 00:07:16,983 this, right? 115 00:07:16,983 --> 00:07:18,168 >> Yes. 116 00:07:18,168 --> 00:07:21,220 >> Absolutely, so Daelynn, how was your journey like? 117 00:07:21,220 --> 00:07:24,359 Why did you choose this pathway? 118 00:07:24,359 --> 00:07:29,131 >> [LAUGH] Well, at its core I chose technology because it paid better 119 00:07:29,131 --> 00:07:32,094 than laying bricks or digging ditches. 120 00:07:32,094 --> 00:07:37,913 Like a lot of folks, I am a college dropout. 121 00:07:37,913 --> 00:07:42,781 And spent the next ten years after college being a single parent, 122 00:07:42,781 --> 00:07:46,776 working minimum wage jobs in restaurant and retail. 123 00:07:46,776 --> 00:07:49,969 And after ten years I was getting pretty hungry. 124 00:07:49,969 --> 00:07:52,082 Minimum wage doesn't go very far. 125 00:07:52,082 --> 00:07:56,850 And it didn't go very far in the late 90s and 126 00:07:56,850 --> 00:07:59,746 it's only going less far. 127 00:07:59,746 --> 00:08:02,713 I found myself working at Borders Books. 128 00:08:02,713 --> 00:08:06,299 And I was shelving computer books all day long. 129 00:08:06,299 --> 00:08:11,172 And I had access to this encyclopedic wealth of information. 130 00:08:11,172 --> 00:08:17,970 Cuz back then StackOverflow didn't exist and you had books. 131 00:08:17,970 --> 00:08:22,728 So I started reading, and reading, and reading, and reading. 132 00:08:22,728 --> 00:08:30,125 And eventually, I learned enough to talk my way into my first technology job. 133 00:08:30,125 --> 00:08:34,941 Which was basically, the Resident Geek added this little tiny company 134 00:08:34,941 --> 00:08:39,206 that needed someone to process mailing lists and upgrade RAM. 135 00:08:39,206 --> 00:08:44,370 And fix the printer, and unjam the copier machine, whatever. 136 00:08:44,370 --> 00:08:45,434 >> Yeah. 137 00:08:45,434 --> 00:08:50,075 >> After about six months there, they came to me and said, well, 138 00:08:50,075 --> 00:08:55,874 we have a new client and we need a custom database application to support them. 139 00:08:55,874 --> 00:09:01,865 And I said, okay, I don't really know what a database is, will you buy me a book? 140 00:09:01,865 --> 00:09:04,519 >> [LAUGH] >> And they did. 141 00:09:04,519 --> 00:09:06,546 >> You knew what to do with that and all? 142 00:09:06,546 --> 00:09:08,631 >> I knew how to use a book. 143 00:09:08,631 --> 00:09:14,382 So I wrote my first piece of software, Access 95. 144 00:09:14,382 --> 00:09:15,624 It was a success. 145 00:09:15,624 --> 00:09:16,660 It worked. 146 00:09:16,660 --> 00:09:18,900 Six months later they were still using it. 147 00:09:18,900 --> 00:09:22,278 And I was like, that was really cool! 148 00:09:22,278 --> 00:09:24,244 I wanna do more of that. 149 00:09:24,244 --> 00:09:25,660 >> That was amazing! 150 00:09:25,660 --> 00:09:26,463 I love that. 151 00:09:26,463 --> 00:09:29,880 What I'm getting from that is, read and learn what you can and 152 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,256 then you'll figure out the rest, right? 153 00:09:32,256 --> 00:09:33,225 You'll learn to [CROSSTALK]. 154 00:09:33,225 --> 00:09:36,802 >> [CROSSTALK] Like if you have the knowledge then it's really just about 155 00:09:36,802 --> 00:09:38,165 relationship building. 156 00:09:38,165 --> 00:09:41,877 It's about convincing people that you're worth making an investment in. 157 00:09:41,877 --> 00:09:42,634 >> That's clear. 158 00:09:42,634 --> 00:09:44,346 >> And then that you're worth taking a risk on. 159 00:09:44,346 --> 00:09:45,275 >> That's right. 160 00:09:45,275 --> 00:09:46,380 That's right. 161 00:09:46,380 --> 00:09:47,249 I love that. 162 00:09:47,249 --> 00:09:48,106 I love that. 163 00:09:48,106 --> 00:09:55,172 Leila, so father, internal, that was an intrinsic motivation that you ended. 164 00:09:55,172 --> 00:09:58,081 I feel that you just had to say, look, I can do this. 165 00:09:58,081 --> 00:10:00,610 But for you, Leila, how was your journey? 166 00:10:00,610 --> 00:10:06,739 Mine was a little bit all over the place, so my father also was in engineering. 167 00:10:06,739 --> 00:10:10,958 But I grew up and never wanting to do that, just watching him. 168 00:10:10,958 --> 00:10:15,794 Because I was like he's always busy, he's up until 1 or 2 AM, 169 00:10:15,794 --> 00:10:18,940 waking up at 6, always go on traveling. 170 00:10:18,940 --> 00:10:24,286 I was like I never wanna have a lifestyle where I am never around or 171 00:10:24,286 --> 00:10:26,930 always focused on work. 172 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:31,850 And so, I went in to college being like this is never what I wanna do. 173 00:10:31,850 --> 00:10:37,430 And so, I followed my passion first which was music, and was studying and 174 00:10:37,430 --> 00:10:43,280 on my way to becoming a professional performer around the world of soloists. 175 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:48,496 And, I did math at the same time, kind of as a way to make my parents happy, 176 00:10:48,496 --> 00:10:51,630 but really I was focused on music. 177 00:10:51,630 --> 00:10:56,848 And, after graduating and doing music for a year, getting ready to go for 178 00:10:56,848 --> 00:11:01,579 grad school for that to get what they would call an artist diploma. 179 00:11:01,579 --> 00:11:07,289 I figured out that my work life that I wanted with this career and 180 00:11:07,289 --> 00:11:10,198 my personal life that I wanted, 181 00:11:10,198 --> 00:11:15,281 even if I was 110% successful, would never align. 182 00:11:15,281 --> 00:11:18,310 I would never be able to get what I would want that make me happy. 183 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:21,457 And so, I essentially reevaluate and was like, 184 00:11:21,457 --> 00:11:26,141 I need different career that allows me to continue doing music while also 185 00:11:26,141 --> 00:11:30,710 giving me flexibility to have a home base which was really big. 186 00:11:30,710 --> 00:11:32,660 I wanted to be able to stay in place. 187 00:11:32,660 --> 00:11:36,259 And, as I was looking around, I was like, I just invested four or 188 00:11:36,259 --> 00:11:40,187 five years of my life into this so I want to do another four or five years or 189 00:11:40,187 --> 00:11:42,226 more just to get another education. 190 00:11:42,226 --> 00:11:47,001 I was looking around and computer science was 191 00:11:47,001 --> 00:11:52,409 a quicker way for me to get in an interesting field. 192 00:11:52,409 --> 00:11:54,703 I had a couple other options I don't remember right now. 193 00:11:54,703 --> 00:11:57,395 But I remember looking at that being like, hey, 194 00:11:57,395 --> 00:12:01,332 that was the one thing I said I didn't wanna do, but when I looked at it, 195 00:12:01,332 --> 00:12:04,177 I was like everything here is really interesting. 196 00:12:04,177 --> 00:12:07,968 It was just nine month accelerated program to get me into a master's, so I knew like, 197 00:12:07,968 --> 00:12:10,900 hey, after two years, I would have a master's degree. 198 00:12:10,900 --> 00:12:12,800 It's not I'm having to go backwards. 199 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,265 And so, I said, okay, I can commit nine months and see unbiased if I'm actually 200 00:12:17,265 --> 00:12:21,403 gonna like this or I'm gonna find something I'm passionate about or not, 201 00:12:21,403 --> 00:12:24,730 I was surrounded by people who are also in tech. 202 00:12:24,730 --> 00:12:29,546 My partner was in tech at the time, a lot of my friends were in tech, 203 00:12:29,546 --> 00:12:31,704 my my dad and a couple others. 204 00:12:31,704 --> 00:12:35,994 So I decided to just put my head down, give it a try, see what happens. 205 00:12:35,994 --> 00:12:40,914 And within nine months, I found my passion in machine learning and data science and 206 00:12:40,914 --> 00:12:44,140 I started pursuing it like crazy after that. 207 00:12:44,140 --> 00:12:47,078 And, now I'm sitting here in the tech world. 208 00:12:47,078 --> 00:12:51,038 And then as I was going along the way, I was realizing that, hey, 209 00:12:51,038 --> 00:12:56,006 there's not a lot of women here, there's not a lot of people of different races or 210 00:12:56,006 --> 00:13:01,480 minorities and that was really reflected at my school but also in the community. 211 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,678 And so, as I was kind of going along the way, 212 00:13:03,678 --> 00:13:06,828 I was also wanting to branch into the why is this such a different 213 00:13:06,828 --> 00:13:09,310 experience than when I went to music school? 214 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:13,181 How can I bring some of those things into the community to make it better and so 215 00:13:13,181 --> 00:13:16,752 that's how I ended up doing my tech career while also volunteering and 216 00:13:16,752 --> 00:13:19,431 trying to help out in the community at the same time. 217 00:13:19,431 --> 00:13:21,363 >> Awesome, thank you, Leila. 218 00:13:21,363 --> 00:13:26,910 Yeah, so once you all decided this was the thing you wanna chase, right? 219 00:13:26,910 --> 00:13:29,562 This is the thing that gets you up in the morning and 220 00:13:29,562 --> 00:13:32,100 making you feel like you have a purpose. 221 00:13:32,100 --> 00:13:33,761 How did you cultivate or 222 00:13:33,761 --> 00:13:38,700 find that place that work in space that's gonna pay you, right? 223 00:13:38,700 --> 00:13:41,313 That how did you decide where that was gonna be for 224 00:13:41,313 --> 00:13:44,629 you and that they were gonna accept you and your experience and 225 00:13:44,629 --> 00:13:47,840 your your knowledge and just all that you would bring to it? 226 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,972 How did you all go about deciding where you want it to work? 227 00:13:52,824 --> 00:13:55,522 Yeah, Dylene, did you wanna tackle that one? 228 00:14:01,415 --> 00:14:06,538 >> I think the things I learned early on is that your level of 229 00:14:06,538 --> 00:14:11,661 agency in terms of selecting your workplace is directly 230 00:14:11,661 --> 00:14:16,920 correlated with the your depth of experience, right? 231 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:23,290 And so early on, I was motivated by who's gonna hire me. 232 00:14:23,290 --> 00:14:28,890 And, frankly back in 1996, nobody was talking about diversity in tech. 233 00:14:28,890 --> 00:14:31,940 And it wasn't a relevant conversation. 234 00:14:31,940 --> 00:14:36,392 The conversation was, can I, as a gender variant person, 235 00:14:36,392 --> 00:14:39,250 find work here and make better money? 236 00:14:40,390 --> 00:14:42,920 Can I develop my trade? 237 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:46,290 Can I get a job here? 238 00:14:46,290 --> 00:14:47,283 >> Mm-hm, mm-hm. 239 00:14:47,283 --> 00:14:48,518 >> And it was a decade or 240 00:14:48,518 --> 00:14:53,040 more before I started being able to have internal conversations around. 241 00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:59,150 Okay, well, what do I want out of an employer? 242 00:14:59,150 --> 00:15:05,410 And how much agency do I have in making that happen for myself? 243 00:15:07,580 --> 00:15:11,714 What I found was that if people wanna hire you, 244 00:15:11,714 --> 00:15:16,803 do you have a lot more agency than if they don't, right? 245 00:15:16,803 --> 00:15:21,523 It has to be a two way kind of thing. 246 00:15:21,523 --> 00:15:26,322 And I have spent a lot of time telling young people entering the workplace, 247 00:15:26,322 --> 00:15:30,220 yes, an interview is your chance to interview the company. 248 00:15:32,250 --> 00:15:36,679 Absolutely, and if you don't like what you hear, you should walk. 249 00:15:36,679 --> 00:15:37,375 >> Yeah. 250 00:15:37,375 --> 00:15:42,679 >> And I know what it means to have an empty cupboard in the kitchen. 251 00:15:42,679 --> 00:15:47,840 And I know what it means to not feel like you can do that. 252 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:56,782 And ultimately, you have to balance the pragmatism with the idealism and 253 00:15:56,782 --> 00:16:02,889 finding the opportunities to enhance the idealism hitting and 254 00:16:02,889 --> 00:16:10,310 amplifying whatever opportunities you can find to get the good stuff. 255 00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:11,460 >> Yeah. 256 00:16:11,460 --> 00:16:14,899 >> Sometimes at the cost of accepting the pragmatic stuff. 257 00:16:18,741 --> 00:16:23,847 Now that I have a 25-year-long resume, now that I've written 258 00:16:23,847 --> 00:16:28,770 some really high profile projects, now that I have led teams and 259 00:16:28,770 --> 00:16:34,190 build successful teams, I'm at a place where I can be very choosy. 260 00:16:34,190 --> 00:16:34,984 >> That's right. 261 00:16:34,984 --> 00:16:38,840 >> I haven't had to look for a job for five years, they keep looking for me. 262 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:46,953 Because I'm out there in the world, I maintain a brand, I network actively. 263 00:16:46,953 --> 00:16:52,000 And people who go to my LinkedIn profile, they can see what I'm about and 264 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,463 they can make decisions about whether or not that's the thing they buy into and 265 00:16:57,463 --> 00:17:00,860 if they don't, great, somebody else will. 266 00:17:00,860 --> 00:17:03,150 >> That's right, absolutely. 267 00:17:03,150 --> 00:17:08,265 I so resonate with that is, as a single parent of three, same kind of deal, right? 268 00:17:08,265 --> 00:17:11,365 Those earlier days you're not so sure cuz you're right. 269 00:17:11,365 --> 00:17:14,185 You got to pay those bills, you got to pay that mortgage. 270 00:17:14,185 --> 00:17:18,520 But then after a while, and when you get your first one ladies that you say, no, 271 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:22,986 I don't think so, gives them power and guess what, it makes you even stronger for 272 00:17:22,986 --> 00:17:24,240 the next time. 273 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,875 This bs, right, comes along, you're like, I don't need to deal with this and 274 00:17:28,875 --> 00:17:30,110 I survived, right? 275 00:17:30,110 --> 00:17:31,240 I took care of my family. 276 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,604 I took care of what I needed to do, and I'm stronger for and 277 00:17:34,604 --> 00:17:36,950 I know that I can do anything now. 278 00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:42,476 And I think it's so important especially it was of a certain age Dylene, 279 00:17:42,476 --> 00:17:47,096 we recognize that our better days are even ahead of us because 280 00:17:47,096 --> 00:17:49,193 we do is at a certain point. 281 00:17:49,193 --> 00:17:53,748 But Leila, for you, how do you go about? 282 00:17:53,748 --> 00:17:57,718 You've got some very specific things that you've identified, 283 00:17:57,718 --> 00:18:00,757 causes that that you feel very passionate about. 284 00:18:00,757 --> 00:18:05,292 How does that come into play when you choose somewhere to accept work? 285 00:18:05,292 --> 00:18:08,878 >> Well, at first, I was kind of in the same boat where I was like, 286 00:18:08,878 --> 00:18:12,548 who's gonna hire me, let me get in the door and see what I can do. 287 00:18:12,548 --> 00:18:17,288 But now, I'm very choosy, and I'm very, in essence wondering, 288 00:18:17,288 --> 00:18:22,830 every time I go into a job, is this a place that I'm gonna feel accepted? 289 00:18:22,830 --> 00:18:26,885 Number one, is this a place that I can thrive? 290 00:18:26,885 --> 00:18:28,680 Am I gonna be excited about what I'm doing? 291 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,704 Am I surrounded by people that are going to help me instead of hinder me? 292 00:18:32,704 --> 00:18:36,782 And I actually trusting my manager or my leadership or 293 00:18:36,782 --> 00:18:42,920 whoever is above me in a way that they're not gonna make it harder on me. 294 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,660 And three, I say what about everybody else? 295 00:18:45,660 --> 00:18:49,154 Maybe I'm gonna be successful because maybe they're really excited about me and 296 00:18:49,154 --> 00:18:51,950 they're really invested in me, but what about my co-workers? 297 00:18:51,950 --> 00:18:52,950 What about my peers? 298 00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:55,810 What about future people who haven't been hired yet? 299 00:18:55,810 --> 00:18:58,680 Are they also going to be welcomed and accepted in the same way? 300 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,710 Are they gonna be happy working here? 301 00:19:00,710 --> 00:19:02,727 And so, when I interview for jobs, 302 00:19:02,727 --> 00:19:07,030 I always make it a point at some point in the interview process after they've 303 00:19:07,030 --> 00:19:09,854 gotten to know me a little bit to get to know them and 304 00:19:09,854 --> 00:19:14,600 ask them some uncomfortable questions and just see how their responses are. 305 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:15,620 Are they genuine? 306 00:19:15,620 --> 00:19:17,780 Are they truthful and transparent? 307 00:19:17,780 --> 00:19:21,473 Are they stock, are they read off of a pamphlet? 308 00:19:21,473 --> 00:19:24,476 Are they trying to cover something up and 309 00:19:24,476 --> 00:19:30,530 care more about the reaction than necessarily the words that they're saying. 310 00:19:30,530 --> 00:19:34,479 You take into account the words that they are saying, but also look at how 311 00:19:34,479 --> 00:19:38,196 they feel about those states and how they feel about the community. 312 00:19:38,196 --> 00:19:43,113 And, I am at the point where I will only say yes to a job if I feel that 313 00:19:43,113 --> 00:19:47,240 all three of those things are outlined before are met. 314 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,770 I'm gonna be successful I'm working with people that are great. 315 00:19:50,770 --> 00:19:54,241 And, everyone else who's there is also treated well, happy to be there and 316 00:19:54,241 --> 00:19:55,827 we're setting up for the future. 317 00:19:55,827 --> 00:19:59,348 Or if it's not set up now, there's potential to make a change within 318 00:19:59,348 --> 00:20:02,814 the company to help the company Grow into that space. 319 00:20:02,814 --> 00:20:05,358 And so when I'm looking for a job, that's what I'm looking for. 320 00:20:05,358 --> 00:20:09,052 When I look for a volunteer opportunity, I really also look for, 321 00:20:09,052 --> 00:20:11,815 is this somewhere where I can make a difference? 322 00:20:11,815 --> 00:20:15,132 Or am I just gonna be another person logging outwards, 323 00:20:15,132 --> 00:20:17,880 maybe helping out with an event and meeting? 324 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,764 Because if I only have a limited amount of time in the day, I wanna try to, 325 00:20:22,764 --> 00:20:28,048 as best as I can, make an impact and make sure that I'm really helping others, 326 00:20:28,048 --> 00:20:31,121 not just being clocking in and clocking out. 327 00:20:31,121 --> 00:20:32,874 >> Absolutely, I love that Layla. 328 00:20:32,874 --> 00:20:37,042 It's almost like you get into a space, yeah, they're gonna accept you, but 329 00:20:37,042 --> 00:20:40,220 then is there room for you to kind of elbow your way through? 330 00:20:40,220 --> 00:20:45,642 And for folks to like listen to you and hear you out and build an opportunity for 331 00:20:45,642 --> 00:20:49,814 you to really make it the space that you know that it can be for 332 00:20:49,814 --> 00:20:53,001 not just yourself, but for other folks too. 333 00:20:53,001 --> 00:20:54,019 I use that one too. 334 00:20:54,019 --> 00:20:58,351 [LAUGH] What about you Betsa? 335 00:20:58,351 --> 00:21:06,106 >> Well, as a recent Intertek transition professional, 336 00:21:06,106 --> 00:21:10,068 it was [INAUDIBLE] Mean to me. 337 00:21:10,068 --> 00:21:16,346 I was 15 years in a company that I love and I grew up in, and I was like, 338 00:21:16,346 --> 00:21:22,534 I love your vision and everything and then suddenly I'm out of a job. 339 00:21:22,534 --> 00:21:27,577 And [LAUGH] So, here I am making that hard decision 340 00:21:27,577 --> 00:21:32,374 about I need to change, make a new career, and 341 00:21:32,374 --> 00:21:36,564 that's when I decided to get into tech. 342 00:21:36,564 --> 00:21:43,998 And what I also realize was that the work wasn't enough. 343 00:21:43,998 --> 00:21:46,920 It's just not about the job that I'm doing. 344 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:51,944 I do look into the vision and the mission of the company. 345 00:21:51,944 --> 00:21:57,308 It needs to be aligned to what I wanna do because for 346 00:21:57,308 --> 00:22:03,325 most of my life, I've defined myself as whatever I do. 347 00:22:06,196 --> 00:22:10,670 Time doing this so better be something that I believe in. 348 00:22:10,670 --> 00:22:15,294 Something that aligned with my values and 349 00:22:15,294 --> 00:22:20,190 not more about, does it give me a paycheck? 350 00:22:20,190 --> 00:22:26,936 And it's very hard to do it because I have two young kids and a mortgage. 351 00:22:26,936 --> 00:22:29,351 And I have all of these and 352 00:22:29,351 --> 00:22:35,331 you have to kind of decide do I wanna make this amount of money or 353 00:22:35,331 --> 00:22:40,161 do I go into this other company that pays less, but 354 00:22:40,161 --> 00:22:43,629 I'm delivering more to the world? 355 00:22:43,629 --> 00:22:49,334 And I've had to make those decisions. 356 00:22:49,334 --> 00:22:53,256 And thankfully, I have my husband support. 357 00:22:53,256 --> 00:22:55,698 He's always like, yeah, sure, do it. 358 00:22:55,698 --> 00:23:01,172 [LAUGH] And it takes some adaptation, but 359 00:23:01,172 --> 00:23:09,226 it's definitely important to me as I'm looking for a job. 360 00:23:09,226 --> 00:23:14,092 Two, as an engineer, I wanna use technology. 361 00:23:14,092 --> 00:23:17,993 Here, I wanna use technology for 362 00:23:17,993 --> 00:23:22,880 the betterment of the human experience. 363 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:29,137 I researched, okay, how does this company go into Glassdoor and 364 00:23:29,137 --> 00:23:33,135 what is the experience of the employees? 365 00:23:33,135 --> 00:23:38,215 What it is a integration of people? 366 00:23:38,215 --> 00:23:40,074 Do they have a mentorship program? 367 00:23:40,074 --> 00:23:41,093 How am I gonna grow up? 368 00:23:41,093 --> 00:23:47,369 So those are the things that I look for as I'm interviewing for a company. 369 00:23:47,369 --> 00:23:52,112 Definitely, the policies 370 00:23:52,112 --> 00:23:57,060 in place kind of like those, 371 00:23:57,060 --> 00:24:00,366 how are flexible? 372 00:24:00,366 --> 00:24:01,528 How are they flexible? 373 00:24:01,528 --> 00:24:05,943 Because I'm a mom, I need to get out of the office any point in time or 374 00:24:05,943 --> 00:24:10,067 I need to work from home and they'll look for all those things. 375 00:24:10,067 --> 00:24:15,117 So it's definitely a challenge, but I think that 376 00:24:15,117 --> 00:24:20,407 the more we do it, the more the workforce does that, 377 00:24:20,407 --> 00:24:25,113 then employers are gonna pay more attention. 378 00:24:25,113 --> 00:24:25,870 >> Yeah. 379 00:24:25,870 --> 00:24:29,505 >> They're asking for this, they want this, they need this. 380 00:24:29,505 --> 00:24:34,262 And then we all do that, then they'll have to move that way. 381 00:24:34,262 --> 00:24:35,319 Yeah, absolutely. 382 00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:39,980 I think what you're speaking to is something that we've all needed even more 383 00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:43,074 so over these last year and a half of this pandemic. 384 00:24:43,074 --> 00:24:49,347 And as being women and caretakers and mothers, that we need that flexibility. 385 00:24:49,347 --> 00:24:53,888 And sometimes when we're just getting started and we're thinking about that, 386 00:24:53,888 --> 00:24:57,705 that first job, that the money is the thing that kinda drives this. 387 00:24:57,705 --> 00:25:01,772 But there's just so much value in working with a company or 388 00:25:01,772 --> 00:25:05,768 organization that you're feeling fulfilled, right? 389 00:25:05,768 --> 00:25:06,944 With your purpose. 390 00:25:06,944 --> 00:25:09,371 And then also, as you mentioned, 391 00:25:09,371 --> 00:25:14,236 just the flexibility to take care of yourself and your life, right? 392 00:25:14,236 --> 00:25:16,571 Which can be invaluable. 393 00:25:16,571 --> 00:25:21,563 Hey you all, tell me about your perspective of why there needs to 394 00:25:21,563 --> 00:25:26,555 be women in tech and what perspective you all bring to these these 395 00:25:26,555 --> 00:25:29,717 workspaces and how does that that vary? 396 00:25:29,717 --> 00:25:36,786 So Layla, how do you feel your identity improves where you work? 397 00:25:36,786 --> 00:25:41,950 >> So I feel that at least when I come into the workplace every day or 398 00:25:41,950 --> 00:25:46,830 even if it's to a conference, maybe it's not even my job. 399 00:25:46,830 --> 00:25:51,728 When I'm coming into the community as a whole every day, 400 00:25:51,728 --> 00:25:56,231 being a woman I look at things differently, right? 401 00:25:56,231 --> 00:25:57,747 Within my day-to-day job, right? 402 00:25:57,747 --> 00:26:02,409 Maybe instead of looking or focusing on a problem or two, 403 00:26:02,409 --> 00:26:05,724 maybe I'm looking across 10 or 20. 404 00:26:05,724 --> 00:26:09,306 My previous experience also makes me look across five or 405 00:26:09,306 --> 00:26:13,357 ten different levels at the same time within the same problem. 406 00:26:13,357 --> 00:26:18,709 But also, the big thing I think I take from being woman other than helping 407 00:26:18,709 --> 00:26:24,438 the different perspective with my problems, is really on the culture side. 408 00:26:24,438 --> 00:26:29,114 Just being in there a lot of times, it's really easy for people not to think 409 00:26:29,114 --> 00:26:34,030 about their behavior and not to think about the way they interact with people. 410 00:26:34,030 --> 00:26:39,655 To use words or use phrases that make it a little bit harder for 411 00:26:39,655 --> 00:26:45,612 a woman or maybe someone who's non binary to actually step up and 412 00:26:45,612 --> 00:26:49,051 have a voice at the table, right?. 413 00:26:49,051 --> 00:26:51,352 It's different ways we interact. 414 00:26:51,352 --> 00:26:52,266 It's different ways we write. 415 00:26:52,266 --> 00:26:55,304 It's different ways we speak to each other. 416 00:26:55,304 --> 00:26:57,571 And being a woman in that room, 417 00:26:57,571 --> 00:27:02,370 I feel like almost brings a little bit more equality to the table, 418 00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:07,706 especially being someone who recognizes what some of these things are. 419 00:27:07,706 --> 00:27:11,489 I can say, hey, you're not allowing me to speak. 420 00:27:11,489 --> 00:27:15,567 You are dominating the conversation. 421 00:27:15,567 --> 00:27:18,917 Or yes, we're thinking about these things, but 422 00:27:18,917 --> 00:27:21,722 how can we think about them differently? 423 00:27:21,722 --> 00:27:26,686 And it's not saying that because I'm a woman, it's my role to call people out. 424 00:27:26,686 --> 00:27:28,169 That is not what it is. 425 00:27:28,169 --> 00:27:33,265 But by having more people with different voices at the table, 426 00:27:33,265 --> 00:27:39,929 you are encouraging thoughts that are, or giving more people a chance to speak, 427 00:27:39,929 --> 00:27:45,032 a chance to be heard, and a chance to enter the conversation. 428 00:27:45,032 --> 00:27:50,010 And so, I've been in a room where it's been all guys and me. 429 00:27:50,010 --> 00:27:57,516 And oftentimes in those situations, I find it really hard to have an opinion and 430 00:27:57,516 --> 00:28:02,345 to have my opinion taken seriously at that matter. 431 00:28:02,345 --> 00:28:06,685 Being a woman in that room, or being a couple of women in that room, right? 432 00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:10,618 If it's you and a co worker, you and someone else, you start to say, hey, 433 00:28:10,618 --> 00:28:12,005 that's not acceptable. 434 00:28:12,005 --> 00:28:13,364 Hey, we have a voice. 435 00:28:13,364 --> 00:28:18,278 We have an opinion and this is why we think we're right or this is why we think 436 00:28:18,278 --> 00:28:22,581 that maybe what you're saying needs a new perspective, right? 437 00:28:22,581 --> 00:28:26,787 And maybe we're not right, but now we're entering that conversation and 438 00:28:26,787 --> 00:28:30,671 that conversation is becoming a tone where more people can speak up. 439 00:28:30,671 --> 00:28:34,995 And so, I think there's a lot of things we bring to the workplace, but 440 00:28:34,995 --> 00:28:39,246 one of the most powerful is just making people recognize that, hey, 441 00:28:39,246 --> 00:28:41,838 we're here and we're we are competent. 442 00:28:41,838 --> 00:28:46,555 And we have a voice and there's a reason we're here. 443 00:28:46,555 --> 00:28:48,491 And so we should be speaking and 444 00:28:48,491 --> 00:28:53,485 talking in a way that's really welcoming to everyone so everyone can be heard. 445 00:28:53,485 --> 00:28:54,901 >> Yeah, Laila, thanks. 446 00:28:54,901 --> 00:28:56,736 That struck a chord, right? 447 00:28:56,736 --> 00:29:01,020 I think every woman on this call knows exactly what you're talking about, 448 00:29:01,020 --> 00:29:02,452 has been in a situation. 449 00:29:02,452 --> 00:29:04,856 So that's it, tell me, what have you done? 450 00:29:04,856 --> 00:29:07,190 Cuz I know you've been in that situation. 451 00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:08,835 What have you done? 452 00:29:08,835 --> 00:29:13,006 And how can you tell these, what can you share with the rest of us 453 00:29:13,006 --> 00:29:17,747 when we're not feeling it that day, and we can't swallow it that day. 454 00:29:17,747 --> 00:29:24,508 How do you overcome these sorts of micro insults or micro aggressions really? 455 00:29:28,494 --> 00:29:32,044 >> [LAUGH] >> [LAUGH] 456 00:29:32,044 --> 00:29:35,083 >> I have to honestly say that I've 457 00:29:35,083 --> 00:29:37,453 developed a thick skin. 458 00:29:37,453 --> 00:29:43,155 [LAUGH] That is something you unfortunately 459 00:29:43,155 --> 00:29:51,875 have to continue to deal with since you are in school or learning. 460 00:29:51,875 --> 00:29:58,263 You're being questioned even about your own femininity. 461 00:29:58,263 --> 00:30:04,921 Being an engineer, it's like Completely, opposite of being feminine. 462 00:30:04,921 --> 00:30:10,393 [LAUGH] It's like engineering is this grey box and 463 00:30:10,393 --> 00:30:13,871 not this glittery pink thing. 464 00:30:13,871 --> 00:30:21,254 And you just have to keep pushing great. 465 00:30:21,254 --> 00:30:26,987 Definitely is in believing having that, 466 00:30:26,987 --> 00:30:31,736 like my father, having that group 467 00:30:31,736 --> 00:30:35,993 of people that believe in you, 468 00:30:35,993 --> 00:30:39,784 have that support system. 469 00:30:39,784 --> 00:30:43,894 When I moved here to US, I don't have any family. 470 00:30:43,894 --> 00:30:46,716 I don't have any support system. 471 00:30:46,716 --> 00:30:51,457 And I had to build one. 472 00:30:51,457 --> 00:30:55,586 I join organizations where I could find 473 00:30:55,586 --> 00:31:00,473 women in technology, women in engineering. 474 00:31:00,473 --> 00:31:06,457 So that I don't feel like I'm all by myself, 475 00:31:06,457 --> 00:31:11,181 having this type of discussions and 476 00:31:11,181 --> 00:31:15,648 in being that person or someone >> Yeah 477 00:31:15,648 --> 00:31:20,492 >> Having a way to be able to talk about 478 00:31:20,492 --> 00:31:24,508 what you're dealing with. 479 00:31:24,508 --> 00:31:30,241 And why it makes so much sense to link that to where you're 480 00:31:30,241 --> 00:31:38,258 working in the learning session that you're working, that has those values. 481 00:31:38,258 --> 00:31:42,269 Because then when you speak up and 482 00:31:42,269 --> 00:31:47,997 when you bring to the table, what's going on, 483 00:31:47,997 --> 00:31:53,453 then you listen and people will take action. 484 00:31:53,453 --> 00:32:01,281 And it's such an intrinsic culture that people don't notice, right? 485 00:32:01,281 --> 00:32:09,659 They don't know we live in the matrix [LAUGH] of a male dominated world. 486 00:32:09,659 --> 00:32:16,760 >> [LAUGH] >> I've seen that I myself, 487 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:24,884 have these biases sometimes over women. 488 00:32:24,884 --> 00:32:29,245 And then I find out, wait a second, why am I thinking this? 489 00:32:29,245 --> 00:32:34,240 And it's because that's how you grew up and 490 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:40,315 you were raised and then this is a chance to change it. 491 00:32:40,315 --> 00:32:46,907 And it's never been so open and spoken about us now. 492 00:32:46,907 --> 00:32:48,616 This is completely new. 493 00:32:48,616 --> 00:32:53,737 The first time I heard about gender balance was 2009, 494 00:32:53,737 --> 00:32:58,752 2010, and I was blown away because I'm like, yes, 495 00:32:58,752 --> 00:33:05,040 that's what's going on with me, but nobody's ever talked about it. 496 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:12,737 And I've just had to develop this thick skin and stand up for myself. 497 00:33:12,737 --> 00:33:19,353 And unfortunately the days that you're like, okay, this is too much I 498 00:33:19,353 --> 00:33:23,799 can't keep fighting [INAUDIBLE] everyday, >> Yeah. 499 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:27,665 >> I've learned to, I need a mental day. 500 00:33:27,665 --> 00:33:33,173 It's completely fine to take that day to cry or 501 00:33:33,173 --> 00:33:36,431 fall down or walk outside. 502 00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:40,509 We need to stop thinking that's weakness. 503 00:33:40,509 --> 00:33:46,045 I myself thought that for a long time because throughout 504 00:33:46,045 --> 00:33:52,658 my career I could not show weakness in a classroom with 100 men. 505 00:33:52,658 --> 00:33:53,880 >> Yeah, yeah. 506 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,910 >> And not one or two women, 507 00:33:55,910 --> 00:34:01,370 or in the office where I was the only one on a meeting room. 508 00:34:01,370 --> 00:34:05,090 And I could not show that I couldn't. 509 00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:10,053 I could not ask for help, even on the work because then 510 00:34:10,053 --> 00:34:14,480 you're immediately less capable, right?. 511 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,630 Fortunately, times are starting to change. 512 00:34:17,630 --> 00:34:20,939 And now, I've grown up maturing and 513 00:34:20,939 --> 00:34:25,958 decided that it's more important to have that space and 514 00:34:25,958 --> 00:34:31,216 to look for help and mentorship, and then that it's fun. 515 00:34:31,216 --> 00:34:34,749 >> Yeah, gosh, Beth, 516 00:34:34,749 --> 00:34:40,237 you just covered so, so much there. 517 00:34:40,237 --> 00:34:43,276 Self care, and community and affinity with other women, having a support group. 518 00:34:43,276 --> 00:34:47,334 And when you don't have it in those spaces, 519 00:34:47,334 --> 00:34:52,831 you need to create one and I just really, really love that. 520 00:34:52,831 --> 00:34:56,722 That brings me to thinking about the importance of EDR. 521 00:34:56,722 --> 00:35:00,706 You talked about how a lot of these things we're talking about today, I think daily, 522 00:35:00,706 --> 00:35:01,840 you brought it up. 523 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,790 We weren't talking about EDR. 524 00:35:03,790 --> 00:35:08,630 We weren't talking about these things, not even ten years ago, right? 525 00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:13,040 And so, why do you all think it's important for 526 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:19,324 us to have that conversation and for these, particularly in tech, 527 00:35:19,324 --> 00:35:24,080 to have EDI centers and training and programming? 528 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,651 Why do you think that's important or do you? 529 00:35:27,651 --> 00:35:28,771 >> But yeah, I do. 530 00:35:28,771 --> 00:35:31,230 [LAUGH] I do think it's important. 531 00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:34,350 And I think it's important for a variety of reasons. 532 00:35:34,350 --> 00:35:39,305 One of which is that there aren't a lot more ideas that straight white 533 00:35:39,305 --> 00:35:42,222 middle aged guys can bring to the table. 534 00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:46,767 They're tapped out. 535 00:35:46,767 --> 00:35:51,303 We're entering an age in which our problems are so 536 00:35:51,303 --> 00:35:56,056 nuanced and so complex and so complicated to solve, 537 00:35:56,056 --> 00:36:02,767 that a single point of view is never going to come up with the right answer. 538 00:36:02,767 --> 00:36:03,955 >> No. 539 00:36:03,955 --> 00:36:04,482 >> Mm-hm. 540 00:36:04,482 --> 00:36:10,595 Right, so, there are incredibly strong business cases to be made for 541 00:36:10,595 --> 00:36:13,818 having multiple voices in the room. 542 00:36:13,818 --> 00:36:14,398 >> Absolutely. >> Right? 543 00:36:14,398 --> 00:36:18,546 And that doesn't even address the whole, do what's right, 544 00:36:18,546 --> 00:36:20,962 part of the conversation, right? 545 00:36:20,962 --> 00:36:26,645 I believe there is an increasing restaurant, 546 00:36:26,645 --> 00:36:32,390 companies, to have an ethical sparring. 547 00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:33,110 >> Yeah. 548 00:36:33,110 --> 00:36:33,714 >> Right? And 549 00:36:33,714 --> 00:36:37,200 this isn't a thing IBM had to worry about. 550 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,372 This isn't a thing that HP had to worry about. 551 00:36:42,372 --> 00:36:47,140 But increasingly, candidates are coming to the table, 552 00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:50,814 candidates like me, candidates like you, 553 00:36:50,814 --> 00:36:56,490 candidates like the folks on this call, who are demanding better. 554 00:36:56,490 --> 00:36:59,498 >> Yeah. >> And we bring enough to the table 555 00:36:59,498 --> 00:37:04,136 that is clearly visible, that people are listening. 556 00:37:04,136 --> 00:37:05,471 >> That's right. 557 00:37:05,471 --> 00:37:10,768 >> And ultimately, there probably for the next 20 to 50 years, 558 00:37:10,768 --> 00:37:14,812 will be enough straight white guys in the work pool 559 00:37:14,812 --> 00:37:19,266 that if that's who you wanna hire, you can find them. 560 00:37:22,741 --> 00:37:27,539 But if you are a company that is thinking about solving 561 00:37:27,539 --> 00:37:30,650 new problems in a new economy. 562 00:37:30,650 --> 00:37:35,568 If you are a company that is thinking about doing good, 563 00:37:35,568 --> 00:37:37,514 >> Mm-hm. 564 00:37:37,514 --> 00:37:41,748 >> Then conversations around diversity, equity, 565 00:37:41,748 --> 00:37:46,494 inclusion and belonging become inescapable, right? 566 00:37:46,494 --> 00:37:51,369 You cannot talk about doing good, without talking about creating equity and 567 00:37:51,369 --> 00:37:52,196 inclusion. 568 00:37:52,196 --> 00:37:55,572 You cannot talk about solving problems in new ways, 569 00:37:55,572 --> 00:37:58,343 without bringing new voices to the table. 570 00:37:58,343 --> 00:37:59,020 >> Absolutely. 571 00:38:02,740 --> 00:38:05,693 >> Otherwise you just keep moving in a circle. 572 00:38:05,693 --> 00:38:07,636 >> Mm-hm, absolutely, David. 573 00:38:07,636 --> 00:38:14,742 I'm gonna say preach [LAUGH] because our future's becoming extremely more diverse. 574 00:38:14,742 --> 00:38:19,968 And we have to be at the table to create what that technology 575 00:38:19,968 --> 00:38:24,460 is gonna look like for people who will be using it. 576 00:38:24,460 --> 00:38:26,380 We need to be at the table. 577 00:38:26,380 --> 00:38:30,412 We need to be at the table and the companies need to understand that we 578 00:38:30,412 --> 00:38:35,223 are the future, and that we need to be part of integrating, and understanding, 579 00:38:35,223 --> 00:38:38,310 and creating what that future looks like. 580 00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:43,760 So, what does the future for engineering look like for you all? 581 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,531 What do you think it should, imagine that. 582 00:38:46,531 --> 00:38:51,540 Imagine this new future 20, 25 years from now, what does that look like? 583 00:38:51,540 --> 00:38:56,613 What's that look like Beth Sam? 584 00:38:56,613 --> 00:39:00,148 >> It looks purple and sparkly. 585 00:39:00,148 --> 00:39:04,000 [LAUGH] >> Very feminine. 586 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:09,667 [LAUGH] >> No, it's like, as women, for example, 587 00:39:09,667 --> 00:39:14,326 we experience the world so differently. 588 00:39:14,326 --> 00:39:19,748 We are even from completely different cultures, 589 00:39:19,748 --> 00:39:23,887 socio-economical status, right? 590 00:39:23,887 --> 00:39:29,739 The world is experienced in a complete different way. 591 00:39:29,739 --> 00:39:38,216 You cannot experience it the same way another person has. 592 00:39:38,216 --> 00:39:41,959 And I see an increase of diversity and 593 00:39:41,959 --> 00:39:47,894 companies taking over because they have this structure. 594 00:39:47,894 --> 00:39:52,520 Our technology is disruptive industry. 595 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,750 And disruption is what makes it grow and so excited. 596 00:39:56,750 --> 00:40:03,030 And that's how film expire with digital cameras, right? 597 00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:04,600 We've seen it. 598 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,450 Over and over and over. 599 00:40:06,450 --> 00:40:13,130 And like Dalian said, if companies don't change up that structure they have, 600 00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:18,780 they're gonna expire and new organizations are gonna come. 601 00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:23,985 I do hope that the pipeline to engineering 602 00:40:23,985 --> 00:40:28,892 changes from little girls to getting to 603 00:40:28,892 --> 00:40:33,960 high school and show how exciting it is. 604 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,958 And that's why it needs to be purple and 605 00:40:38,958 --> 00:40:43,655 sparkly because they need to see it, 606 00:40:43,655 --> 00:40:50,028 lnd little girls, boys everywhere in the world. 607 00:40:50,028 --> 00:40:54,241 And the way we are interacting, for 608 00:40:54,241 --> 00:40:59,017 example, this forum, this experience 609 00:40:59,017 --> 00:41:04,084 can happen anywhere in the world, right. 610 00:41:04,084 --> 00:41:10,907 When I worked [INAUDIBLE] and I used to travel a lot, 611 00:41:10,907 --> 00:41:18,030 and I love traveling, I love going everywhere. 612 00:41:18,030 --> 00:41:21,648 Get to know other cultures, get to know food and 613 00:41:21,648 --> 00:41:24,912 how people think, how people work, etc. 614 00:41:24,912 --> 00:41:29,399 And that I seem to be this weird person that like that, 615 00:41:29,399 --> 00:41:34,310 right, cuz nobody wants to get out of their comfort zone. 616 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:41,418 But now you are being inundated by it, now is the status quo. 617 00:41:41,418 --> 00:41:46,051 Now you get to work with people from everywhere, 618 00:41:46,051 --> 00:41:50,006 talk to them about all different topics, 619 00:41:50,006 --> 00:41:55,095 work different, and this is gonna get even weirder. 620 00:41:55,095 --> 00:42:00,425 That's how [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGH] >> Purple, sparkly, and unicorns. 621 00:42:00,425 --> 00:42:01,486 >> Of course. 622 00:42:01,486 --> 00:42:04,760 >> I love it. 623 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,880 That's the future right there. 624 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,725 Perfect, perfect entrance, love it. 625 00:42:09,725 --> 00:42:12,020 [LAUGH] You're absolutely right. 626 00:42:12,020 --> 00:42:14,700 You're absolutely right on just so many numbers. 627 00:42:14,700 --> 00:42:17,258 I know folks have questions for you all, but 628 00:42:17,258 --> 00:42:20,730 I just have a few more I want to, this is, is it almost over? 629 00:42:20,730 --> 00:42:24,212 I can't believe it, the time is going so fast. 630 00:42:24,212 --> 00:42:29,091 But hey y'all, give folks some indication of just a bit of 631 00:42:29,091 --> 00:42:32,387 your nuggets of wisdom, additional. 632 00:42:32,387 --> 00:42:35,670 I mean this has been so fruitful. 633 00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:40,392 But what do you want the folks that are listening that are coming into their 634 00:42:40,392 --> 00:42:44,736 careers or just starting their studies or they've been out there or 635 00:42:44,736 --> 00:42:48,720 they're 45 and they're trying to start it all over again. 636 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:54,650 What advice would you give to them as a woman entering into this space? 637 00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:55,591 I'll start with you, Layla. 638 00:42:55,591 --> 00:43:04,230 >> I think the best advice I can give is just go for it. 639 00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:08,871 There's gonna be a lot of people telling you that maybe you're not qualified or 640 00:43:08,871 --> 00:43:12,902 maybe your brain just isn't the way that it should be for this field. 641 00:43:12,902 --> 00:43:17,368 Or you're not gonna be able to do something because it's too competitive or 642 00:43:17,368 --> 00:43:21,995 there's too many words to learn that you just get lost and don't understand. 643 00:43:21,995 --> 00:43:25,387 And so my biggest advice as you enter this field, 644 00:43:25,387 --> 00:43:30,021 whether it's studies or internships or jobs, is just go for it and 645 00:43:30,021 --> 00:43:34,905 understand that you are probably not the smartest person in the room, 646 00:43:34,905 --> 00:43:38,503 and that is great because that means you can learn. 647 00:43:38,503 --> 00:43:39,988 And then while you do that, 648 00:43:39,988 --> 00:43:43,808 surround yourself with people that will motivate you and lift you up. 649 00:43:43,808 --> 00:43:46,816 And that are maybe going through similar things as you or 650 00:43:46,816 --> 00:43:49,060 have gone through similar things as you. 651 00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:52,568 Having that support system when times get hard through all of this 652 00:43:52,568 --> 00:43:56,440 is really one of the number one things that will help you succeed. 653 00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:01,544 So you can do it and you will make it to the other side if 654 00:44:01,544 --> 00:44:06,650 you stick through it despite what other people say. 655 00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:08,673 >> Awesome, thank you, Layla, well said. 656 00:44:08,673 --> 00:44:12,258 Daelynn >> The patriarchal roots of 657 00:44:12,258 --> 00:44:17,188 the technology industry are still there, right. 658 00:44:17,188 --> 00:44:22,361 And they are still designed at their core to make you 659 00:44:22,361 --> 00:44:27,910 doubt yourself, and you are going to doubt yourself. 660 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,818 And I have spent the last 25 years waking up every day wondering is this the day 661 00:44:33,818 --> 00:44:36,723 they figured out that I have no idea what I'm doing? 662 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,747 And some days that's gonna be really hard to deal with. 663 00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:52,988 But you can create success for yourself by thinking about what's 664 00:44:52,988 --> 00:44:58,005 one thing a successful person in my chair would be doing? 665 00:45:00,989 --> 00:45:05,130 If I were being successful at what I'm doing, what would I be doing right now? 666 00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:11,720 Do that one thing and you're gonna feel a little bit better about yourself. 667 00:45:13,470 --> 00:45:18,062 Then think about what is the next thing a successful person sitting right here would 668 00:45:18,062 --> 00:45:19,190 be doing right now? 669 00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:23,940 There's a good chance you're gonna find you're doing it already. 670 00:45:23,940 --> 00:45:27,382 But if you're not, start doing it. 671 00:45:27,382 --> 00:45:32,574 And just keep choosing one thing at a time that successful people do, 672 00:45:32,574 --> 00:45:36,250 or that you think successful people do. 673 00:45:36,250 --> 00:45:39,910 And the next thing you know you're going to be successful in spite of yourself. 674 00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:45,169 You're going to be successful in spite of your demons and 675 00:45:45,169 --> 00:45:49,156 in spite of your lack of confidence and in spite of your self doubt, 676 00:45:49,156 --> 00:45:53,950 because you gonna be doing all of the same things that the successful people do. 677 00:45:57,876 --> 00:46:02,340 And then because you're successful, you'll be able to afford a therapist. 678 00:46:02,340 --> 00:46:06,698 You can go talk to them a couple of times a month, about your self doubts, 679 00:46:06,698 --> 00:46:09,070 because that's important, right. 680 00:46:09,070 --> 00:46:12,215 You get your car worked on prophylactically, 681 00:46:12,215 --> 00:46:16,578 you should get your mental health worked on prophylactically. 682 00:46:16,578 --> 00:46:17,572 >> That's right, that's right. 683 00:46:17,572 --> 00:46:19,210 You wanna bottle her up? 684 00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:22,582 I just wanna bottle you up, sit you right here on my desk, and 685 00:46:22,582 --> 00:46:24,644 push the Daelynn button right here. 686 00:46:24,644 --> 00:46:29,680 I mean that is so true, it is so, so true. 687 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:30,710 So true. 688 00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:32,460 You fake it till you make it, right. 689 00:46:34,050 --> 00:46:37,970 >> Ultimately, there is no making it, right. 690 00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:41,120 You just show up every day, you do the best you can. 691 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,063 You do what you think is gonna produce the best result, and 692 00:46:47,063 --> 00:46:49,220 you go home and you breathe. 693 00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:53,116 That's work. 694 00:46:53,116 --> 00:46:55,300 >> Absolutely. 695 00:46:57,544 --> 00:47:01,999 >> The fact is there's nothing mysterious, special, 696 00:47:01,999 --> 00:47:06,360 magical, or impossible about anything that we do. 697 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,409 Every single one of you can do exactly what I have done and 698 00:47:11,409 --> 00:47:13,992 exactly what anybody else has done. 699 00:47:13,992 --> 00:47:18,935 We all have our unique challenges, we all have 700 00:47:18,935 --> 00:47:24,019 problems that will make that difficult for us. 701 00:47:24,019 --> 00:47:29,089 But if you can take one step at one time, rather 702 00:47:29,089 --> 00:47:34,090 than thinking about all of it all at once- >> Yeah. 703 00:47:35,500 --> 00:47:37,548 >> You're gonna get there. 704 00:47:37,548 --> 00:47:39,320 >> Yeah, absolutely. 705 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,132 That's so good, so good. 706 00:47:40,132 --> 00:47:43,190 Vanessa, what do you have for the folks? 707 00:47:48,032 --> 00:47:50,901 >> Be patient. 708 00:47:50,901 --> 00:47:54,460 And you are your best friend or your worst enemy. 709 00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:03,790 Unfortunately, I myself leave in my head so much sometimes, and I doubt every day. 710 00:48:03,790 --> 00:48:07,823 I'm in a team meeting and I have these ideas and 711 00:48:07,823 --> 00:48:11,590 I'm like, am I gonna be so annoying? 712 00:48:11,590 --> 00:48:17,946 Because they were saying the patriarchal system is women are annoying or 713 00:48:17,946 --> 00:48:22,945 bossy or these descriptions, and you have to fight it and 714 00:48:22,945 --> 00:48:27,632 just not listen to it, because more often the not I'm 715 00:48:27,632 --> 00:48:31,830 addressing issues that nobody's thought of. 716 00:48:33,450 --> 00:48:37,363 And I'm surprised about it because it's like, 717 00:48:37,363 --> 00:48:40,830 this is why nobody's thinking about it. 718 00:48:40,830 --> 00:48:45,200 And then maybe I'm wrong, maybe I shouldn't be and I'm annoying. 719 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,072 And then I figured out everybody's thinking about it, but 720 00:48:48,072 --> 00:48:49,803 nobody is bringing it to the table. 721 00:48:49,803 --> 00:48:52,817 So trust yourselves. 722 00:48:52,817 --> 00:48:56,682 And I am also a bookworm, 723 00:48:56,682 --> 00:49:01,284 I love learning new things and 724 00:49:01,284 --> 00:49:06,438 go at it from a humble position but 725 00:49:06,438 --> 00:49:10,500 a powerful position. 726 00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:12,860 And trust yourself. 727 00:49:12,860 --> 00:49:17,920 I definitely wanna say that we doubt ourselves. 728 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:23,722 We've been thought to do that in every step of the way somebody is blocking you, 729 00:49:23,722 --> 00:49:28,488 somebody is challenging you, somebody is questioning you, and 730 00:49:28,488 --> 00:49:31,016 that has made us doubt ourselves. 731 00:49:31,016 --> 00:49:31,916 >> Yeah. 732 00:49:31,916 --> 00:49:32,652 >> Yeah. 733 00:49:32,652 --> 00:49:39,287 >> And so give yourself that breadth, do your due diligence. 734 00:49:39,287 --> 00:49:46,080 Think about it, rationalize it, and bring it over. 735 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:51,945 And because we need those voices to come into the workplace so 736 00:49:51,945 --> 00:49:58,740 that we make better, better technology, better solutions. 737 00:49:58,740 --> 00:50:02,052 We are problem solvers, and 738 00:50:02,052 --> 00:50:07,700 we need to just Believe it. 739 00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:10,164 >> Yeah, just believe it. Yeah, I love it, just believe it, 740 00:50:10,164 --> 00:50:11,380 that is so awesome. 741 00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:17,140 I don't wanna have any upset viewers so we're gonna get to their questions. 742 00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:21,190 But there was one thing I wanted to make sure that y'all can do for me. 743 00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:25,594 Is to put in the chat some ideas for the women on the team on how to build 744 00:50:25,594 --> 00:50:31,007 community, maybe it's organizations that you all are a part of to help support and 745 00:50:31,007 --> 00:50:35,906 build their communities and their networks and their support groups too. 746 00:50:35,906 --> 00:50:39,247 So I wanna ask you all that are here about their questions, but 747 00:50:39,247 --> 00:50:41,624 if y'all can put those in the chat for them, 748 00:50:41,624 --> 00:50:44,836 I really appreciate it because I think at the end of the day, 749 00:50:44,836 --> 00:50:48,848 we want them to be able to take that away so that they're being supported. 750 00:50:48,848 --> 00:50:51,741 But hey, Courtney's got a question. 751 00:50:51,741 --> 00:50:55,290 Courtney, she says how has working with or 752 00:50:55,290 --> 00:51:00,328 working from home shaped the progress or lack of an EDI work? 753 00:51:00,328 --> 00:51:05,585 She says we see companies essentially silencing employees on these issues and 754 00:51:05,585 --> 00:51:10,296 just curious how it's brought up now and that now that we're remote. 755 00:51:10,296 --> 00:51:11,899 Who's got a response for that one? 756 00:51:11,899 --> 00:51:14,080 That's a fair question. 757 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:15,250 They can't see us now. 758 00:51:15,250 --> 00:51:16,810 Yeah, Leila. 759 00:51:16,810 --> 00:51:19,550 >> So I've actually been dealing with this one a lot. 760 00:51:19,550 --> 00:51:21,520 I changed jobs during COVID. 761 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,770 And so I worked with two companies on this essentially. 762 00:51:24,770 --> 00:51:29,290 And a really big thing was at the beginning of everyone starting to work 763 00:51:29,290 --> 00:51:34,739 from home and being remote was a lot of panic, like, we can't worry about EDI. 764 00:51:34,739 --> 00:51:39,189 We can't worry about diversity or hiring or all of that because we just need to 765 00:51:39,189 --> 00:51:42,481 figure out how we can operate working from home, right? 766 00:51:42,481 --> 00:51:46,705 And as time went on, especially in the tech field or the engineering field, 767 00:51:46,705 --> 00:51:49,550 there's a lot of jobs where you can work from home. 768 00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:51,070 It's not that different, right? 769 00:51:51,070 --> 00:51:54,320 You just take your laptop home or you take some of your hardware or 770 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,730 some of your stuff home and you can do the same thing you were doing at your desk. 771 00:51:58,730 --> 00:52:03,393 And so once that first initial shock of people not really understanding what's 772 00:52:03,393 --> 00:52:07,630 going on kinda wore off and this became more of a regular thing. 773 00:52:07,630 --> 00:52:10,159 As people started to bring that back to the table, 774 00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:14,317 people weren't really willing to listen for a while because they're just like, 775 00:52:14,317 --> 00:52:16,565 they themselves were struggling, right? 776 00:52:16,565 --> 00:52:18,756 It didn't matter where you came from, or what you were doing. 777 00:52:18,756 --> 00:52:21,762 Everyone was going through this thing and through the shock, so 778 00:52:21,762 --> 00:52:25,070 there was no room for even a conversation of DEI for a little while. 779 00:52:25,070 --> 00:52:28,841 And so as that part wore off and now is really, 780 00:52:28,841 --> 00:52:32,630 maybe six months in or even a little bit more. 781 00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:35,940 For me this was around the time when I was switching jobs. 782 00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:39,430 Bringing that conversation to the table became easier, right? 783 00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:44,208 Because now it's like, okay, the first things we've done have been reactions to 784 00:52:44,208 --> 00:52:46,266 try to help as many people as we can. 785 00:52:46,266 --> 00:52:47,059 Guess what? 786 00:52:47,059 --> 00:52:48,380 The minority is the women. 787 00:52:48,380 --> 00:52:51,450 The people aren't the group of as many people as we can help. 788 00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:53,520 So a lot of them were getting left behind. 789 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,173 A lot of people were losing jobs. 790 00:52:55,173 --> 00:52:59,302 A lot of people were trying to figure out how income was gonna work, 791 00:52:59,302 --> 00:53:03,876 how childcare was gonna work, how just basic livelihood was gonna work in 792 00:53:03,876 --> 00:53:07,567 general and so as that conversation started progressing, 793 00:53:07,567 --> 00:53:11,740 we really started having to push DEI and be like this is important. 794 00:53:11,740 --> 00:53:12,620 What about women? 795 00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:14,830 What about people who have children? 796 00:53:14,830 --> 00:53:18,480 What about people who have elderly people they have to take care of, right? 797 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,622 What about people who went from having one or two people in 798 00:53:21,622 --> 00:53:25,740 their work from home a day to now having their entire family in their home? 799 00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:27,363 How are we going to accommodate them so 800 00:53:27,363 --> 00:53:29,450 that they can still do a really good job, right? 801 00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:33,062 Because another thing that was noticed was that women and 802 00:53:33,062 --> 00:53:36,580 people who were having to be caretakers, their performance was going down. 803 00:53:36,580 --> 00:53:39,093 They were working less hours because they now had so 804 00:53:39,093 --> 00:53:41,670 many more challenges that men didn't have to face. 805 00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:45,491 So our women were getting laid off when layoffs had to happen because of 806 00:53:45,491 --> 00:53:46,275 budget cuts. 807 00:53:46,275 --> 00:53:49,286 And so now that we are more comfortable with remote working, 808 00:53:49,286 --> 00:53:51,530 we're more comfortable with the pandemic, 809 00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:54,660 and we're more comfortable with people being at home. 810 00:53:54,660 --> 00:53:57,294 That DEI conversation became so much more important and 811 00:53:57,294 --> 00:53:59,500 now companies are starting to realize that. 812 00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:03,580 And maybe give an extra day off per quarter for a wellness day. 813 00:54:03,580 --> 00:54:07,242 Maybe they're saying, if you need to work part time for a little bit or 814 00:54:07,242 --> 00:54:09,739 you need to take time during the day, go for it. 815 00:54:09,739 --> 00:54:14,077 And that's now becoming more of a norm, which I think is now giving people who 816 00:54:14,077 --> 00:54:18,684 want to advocate for diversity, equity, and inclusion, a lot more momentum and 817 00:54:18,684 --> 00:54:22,622 a lot more power right now at the table to actually make a difference and 818 00:54:22,622 --> 00:54:23,872 accelerate things. 819 00:54:23,872 --> 00:54:27,503 And so since we've gone remote, since we've been in the pandemic, 820 00:54:27,503 --> 00:54:31,010 it was really hard but now is the moment where you can really push for 821 00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:35,391 that and really start to make a difference that's going to last once even we're all 822 00:54:35,391 --> 00:54:38,670 back in the office or if people stay remote. 823 00:54:38,670 --> 00:54:43,620 >> Yeah, absolutely, I think being home has gotten a lot of us just kind of quiet 824 00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:46,132 to listen to what the true issues are and 825 00:54:46,132 --> 00:54:51,540 to prove that certain practices can work and we can work effectively right? 826 00:54:51,540 --> 00:54:53,120 Even more so. 827 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:54,610 Sarah has a question. 828 00:54:54,610 --> 00:54:58,680 Any advice on how to deal with imposter syndrome and feeling like a fraud? 829 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,741 I feel like we've all kind of covered it but 830 00:55:00,741 --> 00:55:03,670 anybody else want to give a few more words of advice to Sarah? 831 00:55:06,010 --> 00:55:10,334 >> Yeah, this is a topic that's near and dear to my heart just because 832 00:55:10,334 --> 00:55:14,920 it's something I've struggled with for my entire career. 833 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,870 And the fact is, it doesn't ever just get solved. 834 00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:22,690 You never stop doubting yourself. 835 00:55:23,740 --> 00:55:30,697 But what you do, build up a history that you can objectively look back on and 836 00:55:30,697 --> 00:55:36,339 say, if I were a fraud, I could not have accomplished that. 837 00:55:36,339 --> 00:55:41,949 Every single project you complete, every line of code you write, 838 00:55:41,949 --> 00:55:45,255 every successful release you deploy, 839 00:55:45,255 --> 00:55:50,080 is another empirical data point for you to say, I did it. 840 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,100 I succeeded. 841 00:55:54,050 --> 00:55:59,028 And you've been trained to doubt yourself your entire life. 842 00:55:59,028 --> 00:56:03,096 You're not gonna just stop doing that. 843 00:56:03,096 --> 00:56:05,708 But you can start building a mechanism for 844 00:56:05,708 --> 00:56:10,197 yourself where you say yeah there it is again, yeah but look at this. 845 00:56:10,197 --> 00:56:16,208 Honey, look at this, I've done this, I've done this, I've done this, and 846 00:56:16,208 --> 00:56:22,160 if I had not been successful or capable, I would never have done these things. 847 00:56:24,550 --> 00:56:28,761 And that can be enough to get you through the day, to get you home, to take 848 00:56:28,761 --> 00:56:33,830 off your bra, to lay down on the couch, to say okay, I got another one down. 849 00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:34,390 >> That's right. 850 00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:37,440 You hear that Sarah, I hope you heard that. 851 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,585 Absolutely. 852 00:56:38,585 --> 00:56:42,944 Theresa says, have you had any challenges or 853 00:56:42,944 --> 00:56:50,184 issues specifically related to your gender and how have you handled this? 854 00:56:50,184 --> 00:56:56,381 >> Yeah, if I yes like a lot of challenges 855 00:56:56,381 --> 00:57:01,805 just by being in this environment 856 00:57:01,805 --> 00:57:06,590 in the engineering world. 857 00:57:06,590 --> 00:57:13,820 Before I was not into tech, but I was in manufacturing industry, 858 00:57:13,820 --> 00:57:20,140 so same environment and you get a lot of second guessing. 859 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,542 That is the challenge intrinsic to your gender, 860 00:57:26,542 --> 00:57:30,483 sometimes your culture or background. 861 00:57:30,483 --> 00:57:35,736 It's the implicit bias, people see you and assume things or 862 00:57:35,736 --> 00:57:41,420 maybe at that point in that project, you have this role. 863 00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:43,470 So they think that you're nothing more. 864 00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:50,043 And you unfortunately, you know how you're always 865 00:57:50,043 --> 00:57:57,180 thought about being humble and not showing all of yourself. 866 00:57:57,180 --> 00:58:02,648 The reality is you actually have to do marketing of yourself and 867 00:58:02,648 --> 00:58:09,810 what you've done, because you have done all of these, this is all of me. 868 00:58:09,810 --> 00:58:12,990 I am all of this, not just this part you're seeing. 869 00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:18,457 I've learned the hard way that if I don't speak about it, 870 00:58:18,457 --> 00:58:21,920 nobody's gonna bring it over. 871 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,310 Nobody's gonna see it. 872 00:58:23,310 --> 00:58:26,674 I lost jobs because I didn't inform them that 873 00:58:26,674 --> 00:58:31,380 I could do the work just because I was waiting for them to see it. 874 00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:37,582 For my job to speak for me and I believe that's some studies say 875 00:58:37,582 --> 00:58:42,590 that's what women do from our gender standpoint. 876 00:58:42,590 --> 00:58:47,230 I believe to my heart that my work will speak for me. 877 00:58:47,230 --> 00:58:52,540 My work in checking the boxes and doing this is going to speak for me. 878 00:58:52,540 --> 00:58:57,275 But if I don't speak about it, if I don't bring it to the table, 879 00:58:57,275 --> 00:59:00,060 it's never gonna be seen. 880 00:59:00,060 --> 00:59:04,860 And that's one of the things is very gender specific. 881 00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:14,602 It's amazing how men are seen completely different then the way we are seen. 882 00:59:14,602 --> 00:59:17,190 >> Absolutely, thank you. 883 00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:19,324 How are we doing on time? 884 00:59:19,324 --> 00:59:22,497 My goodness, does that say an hour? 885 00:59:22,497 --> 00:59:25,790 I'm in the Midwest y'all, so it's like one o'clock. 886 00:59:25,790 --> 00:59:27,310 Is it over? 887 00:59:27,310 --> 00:59:28,530 Is it really over? 888 00:59:28,530 --> 00:59:30,890 I know the folks are like, no, it's not over. 889 00:59:30,890 --> 00:59:34,810 But you know what, y'all can catch this recording again. 890 00:59:34,810 --> 00:59:35,470 It's recorded. 891 00:59:35,470 --> 00:59:36,210 We can watch it again. 892 00:59:36,210 --> 00:59:40,400 There's so much I'm sure y'all missed something. 893 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:45,090 So I'm so so appreciative of Betsa and Layla and Daelim for joining y'all. 894 00:59:45,090 --> 00:59:45,790 This was great. 895 00:59:45,790 --> 00:59:48,339 We have to do this again, like real soon. 896 00:59:48,339 --> 00:59:49,510 This feels like a little party. 897 00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:54,248 And we need a unicorn in the beautiful little techie because she's the future and 898 00:59:54,248 --> 00:59:56,350 I mean she came in right so perfect. 899 00:59:56,350 --> 00:59:57,760 Did you plan that? 900 00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,335 Betsa, did you plan that for us? 901 00:59:59,335 --> 01:00:02,920 [LAUGH] Absolutely wonderful. 902 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,658 Thank you all so very much. 903 01:00:05,658 --> 01:00:08,132 But that does unfortunately conclude our time. 904 01:00:08,132 --> 01:00:11,300 There's just so much more left to do. 905 01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:16,171 But once again, thank you to Dailym, Laela, and Betsa for joining us today and 906 01:00:16,171 --> 01:00:18,290 sharing about your experiences. 907 01:00:18,290 --> 01:00:21,920 The information y'all shared with us today has been so invaluable. 908 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,692 I'm gonna rewatch it myself, because I know there's a lot that we can look 909 01:00:26,692 --> 01:00:29,870 forward to throughout the rest of the days. 910 01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:34,989 But before we go, I like to announce a very special opportunity that's so 911 01:00:34,989 --> 01:00:38,400 very near and dear to my heart, y'all. 912 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,186 There are applications for you, Borah Academy, 913 01:00:42,186 --> 01:00:45,300 the treehouse academy are now open. 914 01:00:45,300 --> 01:00:50,910 Borah is a full scholarship program designed for women, people of color, 915 01:00:50,910 --> 01:00:56,980 LGBTQ folks, veterans and anyone else who has been underrepresented in tech. 916 01:00:56,980 --> 01:00:59,160 We're doing something about it y'all. 917 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:05,270 This is a full scholarship experience designed to get you career ready. 918 01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:06,620 Visit, don't wait. 919 01:01:06,620 --> 01:01:07,570 Don't hesitate. 920 01:01:07,570 --> 01:01:15,040 Right now visit borah.academy to learn more and apply. 921 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,840 Well, next up, we have an hour of music. 922 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:20,642 I can't wait y'all. 923 01:01:20,642 --> 01:01:25,838 With activist, poet, and educator Mike Crenshaw. 924 01:01:25,838 --> 01:01:31,453 Mike uses cultural activism as a means to develop international solidarity 925 01:01:31,453 --> 01:01:37,610 related to human rights and justice through hip hop and popular education. 926 01:01:37,610 --> 01:01:42,590 Mike was voted 2016 Portland Oregon's best hip hop artists. 927 01:01:42,590 --> 01:01:46,749 Since 2012, Mike has toured in Cuba, 928 01:01:46,749 --> 01:01:51,025 Russia, Germany, Zimbabwe, Tanzania, 929 01:01:51,025 --> 01:01:55,880 South Africa, Kenya, and other countries. 930 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,310 Where hasn't he been? 931 01:01:57,310 --> 01:02:01,308 Well, he's here with us today and he's facilitating hip hop, 932 01:02:01,308 --> 01:02:04,430 cultural exchange opportunities for the youth. 933 01:02:04,430 --> 01:02:09,035 So y'all go ahead and head on over to that main stage where Mike will be hanging out 934 01:02:09,035 --> 01:02:11,690 for the next hour and we'll see y'all there. 935 01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:14,065 I'll see y'all later, I'll hang out a little bit. 936 01:02:14,065 --> 01:02:15,540 Y'all take care. 937 01:02:15,540 --> 01:02:17,320 All right see you. 938 01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:18,220 >> Thank you. 939 01:02:18,220 --> 01:02:19,920 Bye bye. 940 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:20,490 >> Bye bye.